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Kathy’s Trekking Adventure in 3 Patagonian National Parks

Kathy returned in January 2015 from a trekking adventure in Patagonia during which she hiked in Torres del Paine, Los Glaciares and Tierra del Fuego National Parks. Here she tells us about her experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop and our partners…

‘I enjoyed all my adventures in Patagonia, it really is a beautiful area and I loved the attitude of the people - the importance of family, food and wine! Thanks so much Chloe for all your efforts in providing me with such a great adventure. It took me 20 years to get there since I first began making plans to visit the region and it was everything and more than I thought it would be.’

How were Swoop Patagonia?

Swoop have excellent contacts in the region and all my travels went smoothly. I am already recommending you to friends! The gift that Swoop sent me for my trip was very useful and I even slept in mine on the Tierra del Fuego trek as it was so much colder there than Torres del Paine.

 How were Swoop’s partners in Torres del Paine?

The Extended Torres del Paine Circuit itinerary I took in Torres del Paine was comprehensive and well organised. I think most of us put on weight on this trek! Eduardo, our guide, was excellent. He knew a lot about the region and felt very strongly about preserving it.  He looked after us really well, knew his first aid (!), and had a great personality and sense of humour.

How were Swoop’s partners in Tierra del Fuego?

We had a few communication difficulties with these partners initially as I was already trekking so was unable to receive emails from them re the next stage of the trip and then I had troubles connecting to emails which further delayed the process. It would have been helpful if information about pick up times was sent out at an earlier date. Otherwise everything on the Crossing Tierra del Fuego trek went well. Matias and Nico were also very good guides and looked after us through rain, snow, bogs, clambering over a million fallen trees, and so on. We LOVED the Hosteria we stayed at on the lake and the family running it were extremely welcoming.

How were Swoop’s partners in Los Glaciares?

Everything for my day hikes in Los Glaciares was well organised once I started and the hotels used were both good, clean ones. The only problem I had was that I had to ask for the details several times before departure. More details on my self guided hike to Fitz Roy would have been useful but then, I didn’t ask the questions either!

What were the highlights of your trip?

Highlights were the people I met all along the way; the first view of Grey Glacier from the pass; the glacier trek on Glacier Grey was absolutely amazing and more so than the one in the Los Glaciares National park; El Calafate and El Chalten with so many restaurant choices. There really were so many amazing sights and I’m really glad I had the time to do the extended circuit of Torres del Paine.

Do you have any tips for other people planning a trip?

I would suggest bringing pesos with you for Torres del Paine treks as they charge a lot more if you use U$ to pay for your wine!

[Read Swoop’s tips on Currency]

Bring a small, easily packable day pack for the two days when you trek up the valleys and aren’t carrying your main backpack.

Cecile’s W Trek in Torres del Paine

Cecile returned in January from a W Trek in Torres del Paine. Here she tells us about her experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop and our partners…

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How was your experience of booking with Swoop?

I was very happy that I planned my trip through Swoop Patagonia and their partners. It was very useful to go through Swoop, as it can be complex booking refugios yourself, particularly when you need certain refugios on certain dates, and in theory there is no availability for 3 consecutive nights (at least I didn’t find any through other companies). Booking with Swoop is also particularly useful for people who have  limited time, it is helpful to have the trip planned by someone else.

How were Swoop’s partners in Chile?

Swoop’s partners who organised my W Trek were very patient leading up to the trip. They answered all of my questions in no time, which was amazing. It was also great that although my plane only landed in Punta Arenas on the 23rd at 5pm, they found a way for me to start the Trek on the 24th at 7am. I didn’t have a guide for this trip, but Johanna waited for me until late in the night to give me my vouchers.

What was the highlight of the trip?

Seeing the sunrise from Chileno on the 25th of December  was my absolute highlight (see picture) although I should have brought my sleeping bag, it was freezing!

Do you have any tips for people planning a trip?

I found it very useful to have an external battery for my camera, a rope to hang my wet clothes on, and waterproof pants and walking sticks. The headband Swoop sent me is also a great item to take with you! Also, the offer of cheap hostels in Puerto Natales is quite wide, so it is fairly easy to go ahead and book these for yourself.

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Fiona’s Trip to Torres del Paine

Fiona & Stephen returned in January 2014 from a 4 night stay at a luxury lodge in Torres del Paine, from where they took various excursions into the National Park. Here they tell us about their experiences on her trip and in booking with Swoop and our partners…

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What was the highlight of your trip?

This is such a difficult question to answer. The whole experience was incredible from start to finish. Of our whole 5 week trip from Buenos Aires down to Patagonia, the Patagonian experience certainly takes the crown.

The obvious things that come to mind are the first glimpse of Lago Gray, hearing the thunderous roar of a glacier calving overhead in the French Valley, standing in front of the Towers of Paine and seeing the elusive Puma on our evening drive home after our final hike in the national park.

There were so many more beautiful moments that are less spectacular but equally inspiring. The milky green colours of the lakes, the fiercely invigorating Patagonian winds in your face, the delicate flowers. The landscape delights with an ever-changing presence as your walk, like moving from Mordor to Narnia to the land before time. We are so grateful that we have been lucky enough to make the trip and experience this wondrous place.

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Did you manage to visit anywhere else in Chile or Argentina on your trip?

We spent time in Buenos Aires, Mendoza, Bariloche and el Calafate before we ventured across the border and into Chile. We loved Bariloche, and spent 5 days hiking, biking, kayaking and eating chocolate of course!

Following our time in Torres del Paine we crossed back into Argentina and headed to El Chalten. We were so blessed with the weather and spent two amazing days hiking here. The spectacular hike to Laguna de los Tres was a really a major highlight for us. I couldn’t recommend making El Chalten a must visit place if your down south.

How well did Swoop Patagonia do helping you plan your holiday, and finding the best trip for you?

 We have to give our whole hearted thanks to Luke and Chloe and the team at Swoop for their expertise, time, and advise both in the planning stages of our trip, and while we were travelling. We are so grateful for their enthusiasm and love of Patagonia and their practical advice. I don’t think we could have planned such a successful trip without their expertise.

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How was your stay at the Luxury Lodge in Torres del Paine?

The hotel was a real treat for us, and totally worth it. The accommodation, staff, food, guides and location could not be topped. We met some amazing people from all walks of life staying in the hotel and really enjoyed sharing their company on the hikes. The staff including everyone from the drivers to the guides were so fantastic – fun friendly and really knowledgeable, and all were totally in love with Patagonia, and so enthusiastic and proud of their homeland. They made superb hiking partners and we loved being in their company. We were also blessed with the most beautiful weather during our whole trip and of course this was a major plus. The groups were small, and the food on our hikes was as tasty as the meals at dinner. I hope that some day we find ourselves back in Tierra Patagonia.

Do you have any tips for other people who are planning a trip?

Tip number one – Talk frequently with the team at Swoop! They guided us in our every move when planning the trip and the advice was spot on.

Tip number two – Just do it – go there! And enjoy.

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Eva’s 10 day Horse Riding Trip in Torres del Paine

Eva returned in January from a Horse Riding trip in Torres del Paine. Here she tells us about her experiences in booking with Swoop and our partners…

How was your experience with Swoop Patagonia?

I really liked the service of Swoop Patagonia, because Luke gave me all the information, without being too pushy. I found exactly the holidays I wanted to do. I think Swoop was great, I would definitely recommend you to anyone who is going to Patagonia.

What did you think of our horse riding partners in Torres del Paine?

The 10 day Glacier Ride was great. The horses were very safe and the guides always matched rider and horse very well. I have taken many horse riding holidays before and I never felt so safe on a horse as I did on this trip. They were very relaxed, and very careful with people. Perfect horses for such a trip.IMG_0900

Did you visit anywhere else on your trip?

I did not manage to visit other places, as I had no more time left. But I will definitely come back to do some trial running in a year or two.

Do you have any other tips for people planning a trip?

My tip for anyone going to Patagonia who tends to freeze, take your warm clothes with you (maybe skiing clothes, as least a jacket, warm socks and waterproofs). As I did the camping trip, I would have preferred to have a warmer sleeping bag. One which keeps warm until -10 Celsius, would have been the right one for me. I had one until -5 Celsius and it was too cold, I had to borrow additional blankets.

[Read more about the weather in Patagonia]

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What was the highlight of your trip?

The whole trip was great, because every place in the Torres del Paine National Park is different and very beautiful.

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Froilan’s W Trek in Torres del Paine

Froilan returned in January from a Trek in Torres del Paine. Here he tells us about his experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop Patagonia and our partners…

‘I would, without hesitation, recommend Swoop to everyone wanting to take a trip to Patagonia’

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How was your experience of Swoop Patagonia?

Swoop was very responsive, I was very well accommodated and advised even with my “last minute” plans, and the wind-stopping snood sent to me before my departure was a really nice surprise.

I would, without hesitation, recommend Swoop to everyone wanting to take a trip to Patagonia.  In fact, since my return, people have been asking how I organized my trip and I have simply told them to Google Swoop Patagonia and that they would not be disappointed.

How was your W Trek and Swoop’s partners who ran it?

My W Trek was absolutely incredible. Our guides, Carlos and Omar were very knowledgeable, nice and really understanding of the needs of each member of the group. They even added avocados to spice up our daily lunch sandwiches (which, as we understood, were fairly plain as they were initially provided by the refugios).

Swoop’s partners had everything planned for us ahead of time, lodgings were more than adequate and the guides were top-notch.  They knew more or less when the weather would be changing (an incredible skill in a place like Patagonia) and we had ample time to reconfigure our clothing to be comfortable long before the change happened. I’m sure my travel companions definitely appreciated it as well. The group itself was a very fun one, and we had a great time chatting away and snapping pictures from the beginning till the end of the trek.

I honestly don’t think there’s really anything to change about Swoop or their partners who ran the trek.

What were the highlights of your trip?

The highlights of my trip definitely had to be the Torres and Grey Glacier, but overall I was very happy with the itinerary that Swoop and their partners set up for us.

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Do you have any tips for other people planning a trip to Patagonia?.Is there anything you would have changed about your trip?

If there was anything I would have changed about my trip, it would have been to extend it to include Argentina (El Chalten and the surrounding area, but also Buenos Aires)

My biggest tip for people planning to travel to Patagonia: go with Swoop!  And If they plan to do the W as part of a bigger itinerary and definitely need to have bigger luggage, I would suggest they leave the rest of their luggage in Puerto Natales and take a light backpack, 25-30 litres max (3-4 days worth of clothing, and do laundry in the refugios when possible).  They will have a more enjoyable time being lighter and more mobile.  Oh, and don’t forget your camera.

Did you manage to visit anywhere else in Patagonia?

Unfortunately, being short on time, I did not manage to visit any other places while in Patagonia.  The up side is that it gives me a very good excuse to come back.

‘Thank you very much for the incredible service and the great experience.’

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Kirsi’s Fuegian Glaciers & Cape Horn Cruise

Kirsi returned in January from an Adventure Cruise in Tierra del Fuego, visiting pristine glaciers and the famous Cape Horn. Here she tells us about her experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop and our partners… 

‘Our trip to Argentina and in Patagonia was amazing. Thank you!’

 How was your experience of Swoop Patagonia?

In my opinion, Swoop Patagonia operated in very proactive way and offered all the help needed in order to plan a successful trip to Patagonia. I would definitely recommend you to anybody planning a trip to Patagonia. I highly appreciated your help in connecting me personally with the right cruise agent.

How was your cruise?

The ‘Fuegian Glaciers and Cape Horn‘ cruise from Ushuaia & back was amazing and very well organised. The trip consisted of two daily trips to shore with zodiac boats one of which was to Cape Horn. We were also extremely lucky with the weather, so we could actually visit Cape Horn national park.

How were the staff and guides on the cruise?

The guides were very professional and relaxed and were also very knowledgeable. The only thing that was a little bit disappointing was the fact that the ship did not actually cruise around Cape Horn. I think that came as a surprise to most of the passengers on the ship. People who go to Cape Horn want to also cruise around it. Otherwise….a pleasant experience.

What was the highlight of your trip?

Argentina is such amazing country so it is hard to determine a single highlight for our trip. We visited Buenos Aires, Pampa, Iguazu Falls, Mendoza, Peninsula Valdes, El Calafate (Perito Moreno Glacier), Ushuaia and we spent our New Year in Colonial de Sacramento in Uruguay. I think all of the places that we visited were Argentinian highlights except for Uruguay of course.

Do you have any tips for other people planning a trip to Patagonia?

I think that Argentina is very easy to travel. You can book everything online (buses, air fares, tours), so everything is pretty easy. The only thing I am sure of is that I definitely want to go back some day. For beef lovers the only tip I can give is that remember to ask your steak as a punto. If you order medium, you get well done steak!

[Check out our blog post on Where to eat in Patagonia!]

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Wallis’ trip to Torres del Paine & Los Glaciares

Wallis returned in December from a W Trek in Torres del Paine and some hiking in Los Glaciares. Here she tells us about her experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop and our partners. As a 75 year old woman who found aspects of this trip challenging but still hugely rewarding, Walli would like to encourage other people of similar ages to consider a trip to Patagonia.

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I have wanted to go to Patagonia to hike for about 20 years and just never could find a way to go until now. When first thinking about it and knowing that I just had 3 weeks it just seemed overwhelming! I did some internet research and wrote some emails to organisations that I found. I said that I wanted to go to Ushuaia, some places to hike in Argentina and then go to Chile to hike and end up in Buenos Aires before coming back to Caracas. I just didn’t know where to start or how to plan… and then I found Swoop Patagonia!

How was your experience of planning your trip with Swoop Patagonia?

I really enjoyed working with your company and all of you. I felt well taken care of and my questions were answered promptly and there was a lot of good advice on the website.

Harriet sent me a very detailed plan of what I could do, mapping out the whole three weeks for me. We adjusted the plan a number of times as she answered lots of questions. She gave me some suggestions for Ushuaia but told me you did not have an operation in that area so I figured that out quite easily and also loved that area.

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 I Wish that you  did trips to more places, but narrowing your regions is probably what makes you so good at planning and arranging people’s trips, and makes you real experts at what you do.

How was your experience with Swoop’s partners in El Chalten?

Harriet put me in touch with Swop’s partners Barbara and Zoe in El Chalten, and they did a wonderful plan for me for Los Glaciares. I liked very much the places in which I stayed, very much enjoyed the hikes I took in the area, and all the logistics went smoothly, I wish I’d had time for more!

How was your Ice Hike?

I am so glad that I was encouraged to do the ice climb and not just the trek and am so glad we found a company that did not have an age limit!IMG_1584

I ended up doing the hike with two guides, a Canadian couple and a Polish couple. The guides really helped me out whenever I was uncomfortable on the glacier (Juan and Carlos) and everyone encouraged me when I was on the walls. I didn’t do great, but well enough to really have had fun.

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Is there anything you would change about your trip?

The only day that I wish I had spent otherwise was the day I went to Lago del Desierto. For me there was too much time spent travelling there and back, and also sitting on the boat (on which I was the only passenger). It was beautiful, but I missed having a more active day. Zoe showed me where to go for a short hike when I got back though, so it all turned out just fine.

How was the weather during your trip?

My only rain to speak of was a for a few hours one morning in Chalten. I could therefore not do Fritz Roy justice as I saw the bottom but never did see the top out of the clouds. Oh well something I’ll have to come back for…

[More about weather in Patagonia]

How was your experience with Swoop’s partners in Torres del Paine on the W Trek?

Everything thing went well for the W Trek (including the wonderful vegetarian cafe the Living in Puerto Natales). I loved our group, and our guide Izzy was amazing; she could not be a better guide. Everyone got along with and supported each other well, and the rest of the group really encouraged me. I particularly loved the first day where we were able to get so close to the animals. The terrain reminded me a lot of Mongolia.

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The refugios were comfortable with good food, and Christmas Eve dinner was perfect!

The Torres were magnificent!!! We had windy days but basically all clear days…I don’t think that the weather could have been better.

By the end of the French Valley I did get a little tired from carrying my pack all day. Everyone went at his or her own rate here, and although I was a little slower, Izzy kindly walked with me.

The last day, which included a hike and boat trip, was also beautiful and Izzy carried some of my things for me so it felt like I had just a day pack. I just could not have gone fast enough. The others in the group were cute about my pace…I felt sort of bad about it and they would say…you are NOT slow, you are just slower then we are! It was great at the end to get dropped off at the hostel!

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Do you have any tips for other people planning a trip?

Firstly, bring ear plugs when you sleep in refugio dorms! Secondly, know your limits – I am just not able to go very far very fast if I am carrying much more than a day pack over a number of days. When I do day hiking I usually take the minimum…so a regular daypack even seems a little heavy to me.

I felt so fortunate to have small groups and great weather. It was just a perfect trip…thank you all for your part in making a dream of mine come true.

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Nui & Steve’s Hikes in Torres del Paine & Los Glaciares

Nui & Steve returned in November from a trip to Torres del Paine and Los Glaciares National Parks. Here they tell us about their experiences on the trip and in booking with Swoop and our local partners…

‘Chloe, Luke & Sally were really helpful. We would recommend Swoop to our friends looking to have such a great experience like us’

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How were Swoop’s local partners in Torres del Paine and Los Glaciares?

Both of your partners were great. We really impressed with one of the Torres del Paine team who picked us up at the bus station in Puerto Natales with Justin (our guide) and also dropped us off at the bus station afterwards. After arriving, we had a meeting with Justin at the restaurant across from our hostel, and straight away knew we were going to be in good hands.

How did you enjoy your itineraries? 

Our itinerary was awesome! I’m glad that we started the first leg in Torres Del Paine. The part that we loved the most was our second day hiking Oggioni Pass. Swoop’s Torres del Paine partner provided an additional guide for us- it was the hardest day but it turned out to be the most memorable of our entire trip.

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How were your guides?

Our guides for our first few days in Chile were Justin and Niko- they were the best ever. They were extremely safe and knowledgeable, and assisted me with some scary river crossings by helping me with my pack, and reassuring me. For the remainder of our trip, we had a guide called Justin who was also very accommodating. My boyfriend has dietary restrictions, so he ended up cooking food in two batches every time we stayed at the campsite, which was very helpful.

Is there anything you would have changed about this part of your trip?

Yes, we would love to change one thing; take four days off the beaten path and skip walking on Viedma Glacier. The boat ride was fun, but it was too touristy which is not our cup of tea.

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What was the highlight of your trip? 

I can’t really pick one highlight because they were so many :-)  Everything was so memorable; stunning views, drinking refreshing glacier water, seeing Glacier Grey after reaching the summit of Paso John Gardner, seeing Viedma Glacier after Paso Del Viento, a gorgeous day at the French Valley…

Do you have any tips for other people planning a trip?

Be prepared to hike in very strong wind conditions, and accept not being able to predict the weather. Make yourself physically fit for what you have signed up for, ensure you bring the proper gear.

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Did you manage to visit anywhere else in Chile or Argentina?

Yes, we spent 3 days in Buenos Aires before flying back to the States, there are tons of good restaurants there! 

Thanks a million to Chloe, Luke, Sally & the rest of the Swoop staff for helping us organise such a memorable trip. We can’t wait to go back to do more trip like hiking across the glacier!

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Milton’s Full Circuit in Torres del Paine

Milton returned in November from a Full Circuit in Torres del Paine. Here he tells us about his experiences on the trip and in booking through Swoop and our partners, and provides some useful tips for future travellers…

It was a great trip and the Full Circuit hike was excellent. I’d have absolutely no hesitation in recommending Swoop or your partners to family & friends for a trip to Patagonia. In fact, I’ve already recommended you to a friend who is thinking about it for next year.

I would recommend ensuring you have the right ’3 Season’ footwear, particularly if you are going in the Spring as we did. One person in the group had fabric ‘boots’ without a Goretex lining and, after walking through the marshes/mud/snow, her feet were soaking and she developed a blister on her heel. She was just about OK but it could have been a problem. I know a lot of women don’t like leather boots (too heavy/don’t look cool) but you can’t beat them…or at the very least good quality fabric with waterproof lining!

Because of when we went, there was snow on the John Gardner Pass. The day of our climb, the weather was unfortunately warm, so the snow was very soft. I know you don’t want to have to put people off, but I guess it’s being frank about the type of conditions that might be faced, particularly early in the season. Gaiters could also be needed in the event of soft snow (e.g. on JG pass).

[For tips on what to pack, check out Swoop’s Trekking Kit List]

It is customary in Chile to tip the guide and porters for good service. Armando, our guide was excellent, he really went out of his way to be supportive, he gave a lot of help to those who needed it, and made the trek even more interesting by his wide knowledge of wildlife and nature which he shared with us. Some advice on the subject prior to departing could be helpful.

I want to thank Swoop for their advice on the itinerary, and working out what was possible with the time I had available (from getting off the boat in Ushuaia to flight back from Santiago). It all fitted together perfectly, I’m glad I did more than just the ‘W Trek’. Also your advice on accommodation in El Calafate (La Estepa) and Puerto Natales (Amerindia), both were excellent.

Baggage Allowances into & within Patagonia – October 2014

We normally prefer to write about much more exciting topics than luggage on our blog, but with the variety of weight and dimension allowances specified by different airlines on different routes, and the number of questions we receive from customers about them, we felt it would be a good idea to summarise the following luggage allowances here in one place:

-International Flights from Europe
-International Flights from the USA
-Domestic Flights Within Patagonia

International Flights from Europe

1. British Airways

Hand baggage - 23kgs

[Dimensions must be less than 45cm x 36cm x 20cm (18in x 14in x 8in) including handles, pockets and wheels]

Hold baggage - 23kgs

[Dimensions must be less than 90cm x 75cm x 43cm (35.5in x 29.5in x 16in) including handles, pockets and wheels]

 

2. Iberia

Hand Baggage - No weight restriction

[Dimensions must be less than 56cm x 45cm x 25cm]

Hold Baggage - 23 kg (max 32 kg but excess weight fee applies when over 23kg).

[Dimensions must be less than158cm in height, width & length]

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3. Air France

Hand baggage - 12 kg or 18kg (see table below)

[Dimensions must not exceed 55 x 35 x 25 cm]

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Hold baggage – 23kg or 32kg (see table below)

[Dimensions must not exceed 158 cm / 62 inches in height + length + width]

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4. TAM:

Hand baggage – 5kg

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Hold baggage – 23kg

International flights from the USA

 1. Delta:

Hand baggage -

[Baggage may not exceed 45 linear inches (or 114 cm) in combined length, width and height, including any handles and wheels. Baggage must fit easily in the Carry-on Baggage Check (approximately 22" x 14" x 9" or 56 x 35 x  23 cm), which is located near the check-in counters]

Hold baggage – 23kg

[Baggage must not exceed 62 inches (157 cm) in total length + width + height]

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2. American Airlines:

Hand baggage – No official weight restrictions

[Total dimensions must not exceed 45 inches (115 cm) in length + width + height, with each dimension no larger than 22'' length, 14'' width, 9'' height (56 x 36 x 23 cm) ]

Hold baggage –  23kg

[Must not exceed 62inches / 158 cm]

Number of Bags Allowed*

Size and Weight Per Bag Allowed*

One personal item: No charge 36 in/91 cm (total dimensions)
One bag carry-on: No charge 45 in/115 cm (carry-on) No larger than 22 in/56 cm long, 14 in/36 cm wide and 9 in/23 cm high
For tickets purchased before April 8, 2014
One bag checked: No charge
62 in/158 cm (checked)
50 lbs./23 kgs (checked)
For tickets purchased on or after April 8, 2014
Two bags checked. No charge
62 in/158 cm (checked)
50 lbs./23 kgs (checked)

3. United Airlines

Hand baggage – No official weight restrictions

-Carry-on bag x 1: Dimensions must not exceed 9 x 14 x 22 inches (22 x 35 x 56 cm) including handles and wheels

-Personal Item x 1: Dimensions must not exceed 9 x 0 x 17 inches (22 x 25 x 43 cm)

Hold baggage - 50-70kg depending on ticket type (see  table below)

Dimensions must not exceed 62 linear inches (158cm) or 115 linear inches (292 cm) depending on ticket type (see table below)

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Domestic flights within Patagonia

1. LAN:

Hand baggage – 8kg

[Must not exceed 55 x 35 x 25 cm]

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Hold baggage – 23kgs

[Must not exceed 158cm / 62 inches (width + hight + length)]

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2. Aerolineas Argentinas:

Hand baggage – 5kg or 10kg depending on ticket type (see below)

[Must not exceed 55 x 35 x 25 cm / 22 x 14 x 10 inches

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Hold baggage – 15kg or 30 kg depending on ticket type (see below)

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3. Sky Airlines – Domestic

Hand baggage – 8kg  / Hold baggage – 20kgs

[Must not exceed 43cm x 41cm x 23cm (17in x 16in x9in), including the handle, pockets and wheels]

Hold baggage – 20kg

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